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{"id":6937,"date":"2021-10-04T01:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-10-04T06:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wethesalesengineers.com\/?p=4379"},"modified":"2021-10-04T01:00:00","modified_gmt":"2021-10-04T06:00:00","slug":"181-the-role-of-presales-in-a-startup-scale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/181-the-role-of-presales-in-a-startup-scale\/","title":{"rendered":"#181 The Role of PreSales in a Startup Scale"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"6937\" class=\"elementor elementor-6937\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-20f0be6 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"20f0be6\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column 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elementor-element elementor-element-1511a4e3\" data-id=\"1511a4e3\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-67b04481 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"67b04481\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Notes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-74f81be4 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"74f81be4\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-692a8546\" data-id=\"692a8546\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-15d399c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"15d399c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Being a founder-based seller can be tough. For one, you\u2019ve got to wear multiple hats, and two, it becomes harder to take track of all the things you\u2019re running. What we see most founders struggle in is handing that baton to sales roles, especially presales. In today\u2019s episode, we talk to Joseph Fung on why that is so, what founders can do to get out of that sales role fast, and how sales engineers can make many founders and company owners\u2019 lives so much easier and better.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Joseph Fung is the co-founder and CEO at Uvaro, a career success platform that offers training to help folks transition into the tech industry through sales roles. He teaches individuals how to sell technology, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">figure out where they fit best in the tech ecosystem and introduce them to amazing tech companies. Their graduates have gone on to everything from Adobe and Oracle at the large enterprise side to smaller startups and everything in between.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-7a982390 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7a982390\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-378146d5\" data-id=\"378146d5\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-64747519 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"64747519\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i><b>Key Takeaway<\/b>:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-59cc0881 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"59cc0881\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-5a6b72\" data-id=\"5a6b72\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2f62219b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2f62219b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How he started Uvaro and why he came up with the idea for this startup<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How important is the role of presales in startup organizations and when should founders hire their first sales role?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Two reasons why founders have trouble hiring for presales roles: the company\u2019s maturity, and that CEOs are often confused about who to hire first<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do we take the CEO out of that sales or sales engineering role?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The idea of pre-coaching the CEO before getting into the call with customers and how that can be helpful<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Who do you hire first in the presales roles as a solopreneur &#8211; an SE, AE, or SDR?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The differences between hiring an employee in the early, mid, or mature stage of the startup<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When is the best time to hire a sales engineer as opposed to a sales rep or an SDR?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why more and more AEs and SDRs are moving into the sales engineering role<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Qualities that make AEs and SDRs successful when they shift into a sales engineering role<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If an SE wants to shift into a different sales role or any other role in the company, how can they prepare for that role?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What\u2019s really important for you to know as a sales engineer during discovery<\/span><\/li><\/ul>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-3c600b7 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"3c600b7\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-44d83fb\" data-id=\"44d83fb\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-63ce9c2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"63ce9c2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Quotes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-39b20985 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"39b20985\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4e3f0c87\" data-id=\"4e3f0c87\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-75d46058 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"75d46058\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhat they don&#8217;t realize is that the way they&#8217;re [founders] selling no one else can. It&#8217;s just impossible.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt&#8217;s very often CEOs, founders, they don&#8217;t realize that they&#8217;ve kind of got this reality distortion field around them, not the way they see reality, but the way people see them. \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIf you can get them [founders] comfortable with the idea that you have to hire people who can sell successfully and it won&#8217;t be the way you sell. Once that cognitive switch flicks, it&#8217;s a lot easier to say hey, now let&#8217;s actually bring in a professional sales engineer.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIf you can help your CEO recognize that their impact is huge. And we can use it strategically, you can actually get them involved in more deals for this thinner slice.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIf you can coach them really well, and be really specific about where they get involved, then they can keep their fingers involved and you&#8217;ll feel like they&#8217;re influencing but also make a bigger impact, because they&#8217;re being leveraged more strategically.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cAs a sales engineer, you want to have the lay of the land before you come in for a demo, right? Same kind of thing if you&#8217;re gonna bring an executive in, it&#8217;s like, Hey, here&#8217;s the points, here&#8217;s the people, here&#8217;s what we need from you.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cAs a CEO, you got to start hiring for roles where you&#8217;ve got the biggest weakness.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cHolding a really good mirror to yourself as a founder, it&#8217;s hard. And it&#8217;s really tough, but that&#8217;s the best way to prioritize what to hire first.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cMultiple hats is what leads to burnout so fast.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhen your product gets to a point of maturity, where there&#8217;s some type of configuration and when you have an implementation process, chances are you need sales engineering. And so, using that kind of rough heuristic is a good way to think about when you&#8217;re going to need it.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhen you&#8217;ve got an implementation, you probably need SEs.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cHaving a sales engineering role, where you can actually help them maybe realize that success a little bit more handed off to the implementation team and be more involved there. I think that desire to see solutions to completeness is what&#8217;s driving it.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cSales has become much more about running the process.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0If\u201d you&#8217;re not successful at running the process, managing expectations, keeping your systems clean, it&#8217;s a lot harder to be successful as an SE.\u201d\u00a0 \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhen I think about the engineers I know who have moved into sales engineering, versus the account executives who have moved into sales engineering, one of the things I do see is a much better alignment to the revenue numbers.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt&#8217;s the exact same problem that the founders have that same thing. It&#8217;s like, we care so much about the product because we built it, and we know it, and we&#8217;ve got to get outside of our heads and get inside of the customer\u2019s heads, what do they care about.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhen you know the problem of the customers, and you know the way this product solves it, those are the killer combination. And that doesn&#8217;t always mean you know, being an expert in every single nook and cranny of the product.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cNo, you got to not show the product and instead ask more and more questions. And the more you can discover, then the more specific and targeted you can be.\u201d \u2013 Joseph Fung<\/span><\/i><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2d3aa342 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2d3aa342\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-47401bff\" data-id=\"47401bff\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4bd69bf1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4bd69bf1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Links from the show:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-24b69a26 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"24b69a26\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-6f22d350\" data-id=\"6f22d350\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-485379bf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"485379bf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/39Z8XE4\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Leaders Under Fire: The CEO&#8217;s Survival Guide to Navigating Corporate Crisis<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/josephfung\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Connect with Joseph on Linkedin<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/uvaro.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Uvaro<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you enjoyed this podcast, please support the show by dropping a review or rating on iTunes.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/we-sales-engineers-resource-for-sales-engineers-by\/id1378292171\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/we-sales-engineers-resource-for-sales-engineers-by\/id1378292171<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-3883d720 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"3883d720\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-643eece3\" data-id=\"643eece3\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div 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status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-podcast tag-assigned-mentors tag-career-advice-for-sales-engineers tag-coaching-for-presales tag-coaching-for-ses tag-coaching-vs-mentoring tag-finding-mentors tag-mentoring-sales-engineers tag-mentorship-sucks tag-presales tag-presales-coaching tag-presales-mentors tag-ramzi-marjaba tag-sales-engineering tag-sales-engineering-coaching tag-solution-consultant tag-solution-engineering tag-we-the-sales-engineers tag-we-the-ses tag-what-is-coaching tag-what-is-mentorship tag-why-mentorship-sucks entry has-media\">\n\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-post__thumbnail__link\" href=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/207-mentorship-sucks-how-to-overcome-it\/\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__img elementor-post__thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"183\" src=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-300x183.png\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium 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