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{"id":6931,"date":"2021-09-13T01:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-09-13T06:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wethesalesengineers.com\/?p=4301"},"modified":"2021-09-13T01:00:00","modified_gmt":"2021-09-13T06:00:00","slug":"178-the-important-battle-of-sales-engineering-generating-visibility","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/178-the-important-battle-of-sales-engineering-generating-visibility\/","title":{"rendered":"#178 The Important Battle of Sales Engineering: Generating Visibility"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"6931\" class=\"elementor elementor-6931\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1688d221 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1688d221\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container 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class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-300c1eb1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"300c1eb1\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-6a510219\" data-id=\"6a510219\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-33b04b93 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"33b04b93\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Notes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-767959a1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"767959a1\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-2b773e80\" data-id=\"2b773e80\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2c850a0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2c850a0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What would you do as a manager of 22 solutions consultants in your department? How would you handle their many pressing concerns and build relationships and at the same time give feedback for each person on your team? This episode pretty much sums up what we would do if we could change the role of presales within an organization. Also, Tony shares how he was able to move the role of presales from a subservient role under the sales division into more or a partnership and beyond.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tony Francetic is the Solutions Consultant Manager with the Tax Professional Sales department at Thomson Reuters and oversees a team of solutions consultants that provide web-based and live product demonstrations during the sales process. He started his career at Thomson Reuters supporting the CS Professional Suite of products as a Technical Support Specialist and then transitioned full-time as a Technical Trainer with TCIS. He continues to train internally on presentation skills and Crucial Conversations. Tony holds degrees in Cyber Defense from Baker College and Integrated Leadership Studies from Central Michigan University.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2bd327fb elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2bd327fb\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3b92673\" data-id=\"3b92673\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5119bc9c elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"5119bc9c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i><b>Key Takeaways<\/b>:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-7d45b7e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7d45b7e\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-53c95fff\" data-id=\"53c95fff\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-162334fd elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"162334fd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What sales engineering was called then when Tony joined Thomson Reuters and before he took over the sales infrastructure department<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How Tony moved from the role of trainer to now the manager of training and consulting<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The role of presales in the entire sales cycle<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tony\u2019s challenge as a solutions consultant manager to change sales culture where the presales engineer isn\u2019t on a level subservient to the sales rep<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Was there already a sales engineering team in the company when he first became an SE manager or did he go and build that team?\u00a0<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How Tony was able to move presales from a subservient relationship to sales into more of a partnership?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Problems encountered when you don\u2019t bring in an SE to discovery calls and only during a demo<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How to show account managers the value of actually partnering with the presales team<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The time it takes for SEs to prepare for demos and presentations<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ramzi distinguishes between qualification and discovery<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The subtleties of working with tax professionals and what they are looking for when working with sales engineers or solution consultants<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How does Tony manage to sleep while managing 22 sales engineers on his team?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The role of sales engineers beyond just partnering with the sales team within an organization<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why Ramzi considers the salespeople as the CEO and the SE as the CTO of a sale<\/span><\/li><\/ul>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-7102036b elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7102036b\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-1bf3f076\" data-id=\"1bf3f076\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4fc7a540 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4fc7a540\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Quotes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-cfa1eb3 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"cfa1eb3\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4a54724c\" data-id=\"4a54724c\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2b09ae4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2b09ae4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cPrimarily, that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re there to do, right? We support the sales division, we work to move deals forward, that&#8217;s the primary goal of presales, but to have that be the core focus of the role, and, and leave on the table, all the other aspects that presales have to do effectively. And not engage with the other parts of the company that can benefit from their experience and their knowledge, that interaction with customers. That&#8217;s a huge mess, in my opinion.\u201d\u00a0\u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cThe first step in understanding that if you&#8217;re going to have a demo, the solution is gonna solve the presales person can&#8217;t care about that deal more than the sales rep. So, there&#8217;s, there&#8217;s a big part of that was just some recognition, I guess that it&#8217;s not always on somebody&#8217;s shoulders, it&#8217;s a team approach to it.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWe&#8217;re not here to just get an info sheet thrown over to us and do demos whenever you need us to. It&#8217;s a lot bigger than that we can help. Strategy, questioning, positioning like that&#8217;s we deal with more customers, and we deal with it from the stage of understanding their needs. And I think that was, that was probably the biggest impact is when there started to be some recognition of, hey, they can actually help me before.\u201d <\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt&#8217;s always money, can you close a deal, and the more deals we close doing it the right way, then those reps like to talk and we&#8217;d like to try and reinforce that and talk about the ones that do a little bit of legwork on the front end, identify the, really the needs of the pain points of the customer connect with my team have a strategy, and then we knock out of the park and they close the deal when you&#8217;re talking shorter sales cycles, more deal opportunities. And that starts to feed upon itself after a while, too.\u201d \u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI think that anybody in pre-sales, when you get into demos and just the volume that you&#8217;re able to deliver, the longer that you do that those experiences that you go through and understand that man, I didn&#8217;t connect with that person. That would have been so much better if I did x, growing and develop by delivering, I think is a core part of pre-sales.\u201d \u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt&#8217;s great to focus on your weaknesses and try and improve them but it&#8217;s a lot easier to improve what you&#8217;re good at. Yeah, right. So, take that and take it to the next level.\u201d \u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cBut you look at most of the major companies that are out there and you know, throw it IBM SAP, Salesforce, you know, all the big ones. There&#8217;s a, there&#8217;s a VP or some level where pre-sales is there at that level of influence. And I think to get to a point where the recognition of what pre-sales can do for a business, not just a sales division, but a business. When that starts to happen, then it&#8217;s that strategy piece that I think can go a long way in improving the viability of a business long term.\u201d \u2013 Tony Francetic<\/span><\/i><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-eefe996 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"eefe996\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-2a2c5313\" data-id=\"2a2c5313\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7710fee2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"7710fee2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Links from the show:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-46c64a64 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"46c64a64\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-100851de\" data-id=\"100851de\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3af1a254 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"3af1a254\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/tony-francetic-8257ba2\/\">Connect with Tony on LinkedIn<\/a><\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span>If you&#8217;ve enjoyed this podcast, please support the show by dropping a review or rating on iTunes. <\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/we-sales-engineers-resource-for-sales-engineers-by\/id1378292171\"><span>https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/we-sales-engineers-resource-for-sales-engineers-by\/id1378292171<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section 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tag-mentoring-sales-engineers tag-mentorship-sucks tag-presales tag-presales-coaching tag-presales-mentors tag-ramzi-marjaba tag-sales-engineering tag-sales-engineering-coaching tag-solution-consultant tag-solution-engineering tag-we-the-sales-engineers tag-we-the-ses tag-what-is-coaching tag-what-is-mentorship tag-why-mentorship-sucks entry has-media\">\n\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-post__thumbnail__link\" href=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/207-mentorship-sucks-how-to-overcome-it\/\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__img elementor-post__thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"183\" src=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-300x183.png\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium wp-image-6925\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-300x183.png 300w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-1024x625.png 1024w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-768x469.png 768w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-1536x937.png 1536w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/207-2048x1250.png 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__overlay\">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__title\">\n\t\t#207 Mentorship Sucks, How to Overcome it?\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article class=\"elementor-portfolio-item elementor-post  post-6980 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-podcast tag-building-trust-with-customers tag-building-trust-with-external-partners tag-building-trust-with-internal-partners tag-customer-trust tag-customer-trusting-sales-engineers tag-customers-trusting-sales tag-john-cares-trust-formula tag-mastering-technical-sales tag-presales tag-sales-engineering tag-sales-trust tag-solution-consulting tag-the-trust-formula tag-working-with-customers entry has-media\">\n\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-post__thumbnail__link\" href=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/206-building-trust-through-genuine-care-for-the-customer\/\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__img elementor-post__thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"183\" src=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/205-Sacrifice-and-Dedication-Have-a-Great-Payoff-1-300x183.png\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium wp-image-5030\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/205-Sacrifice-and-Dedication-Have-a-Great-Payoff-1-300x183.png 300w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/205-Sacrifice-and-Dedication-Have-a-Great-Payoff-1-1024x625.png 1024w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/205-Sacrifice-and-Dedication-Have-a-Great-Payoff-1-768x469.png 768w, https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/205-Sacrifice-and-Dedication-Have-a-Great-Payoff-1-1536x937.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__overlay\">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-portfolio-item__title\">\n\t\t#206 Building Trust Through Genuine Care for the Customer\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article class=\"elementor-portfolio-item elementor-post  post-5012 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-podcast tag-becoming-a-sales-engineer tag-customer-office-hours tag-demonstrating-workflows tag-educating-customers 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