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{"id":3815,"date":"2021-05-24T01:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-24T06:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wethesalesengineers.com\/?p=3815"},"modified":"2021-05-24T01:00:00","modified_gmt":"2021-05-24T06:00:00","slug":"162-hiring-and-leading-adults-for-massive-headcount-growth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/162-hiring-and-leading-adults-for-massive-headcount-growth\/","title":{"rendered":"#162 Hiring And Leading Adults For Massive Headcount Growth"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"3815\" class=\"elementor elementor-3815\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-5a02c2d9 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"5a02c2d9\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4bfe1c2\" data-id=\"4bfe1c2\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-17a3fbc4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"17a3fbc4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-187cf9de elementor-widget elementor-widget-theme-post-title elementor-page-title elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"187cf9de\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"theme-post-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">#162 Hiring And Leading Adults For Massive Headcount Growth<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-50efa427 elementor-widget elementor-widget-html\" data-id=\"50efa427\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"html.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WeTheSEs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\"twitter-follow-button\" data-show-count=\"false\">Follow @WeTheSEs<\/a><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4ac3cbfd elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"4ac3cbfd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div 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\/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-65c32456 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"65c32456\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-348de7d3\" data-id=\"348de7d3\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6622628f elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"6622628f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1f34647d elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1f34647d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-54bfb698\" data-id=\"54bfb698\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-43dd6aba elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"43dd6aba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Notes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-32ee3450 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"32ee3450\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4469701\" data-id=\"4469701\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7c909191 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7c909191\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As an SE leader, how can you effectively lead and develop your team to be better Sales Engineers while developing your own social and technical sales skills? You must enjoy taking on new challenges, testing your mental and physical limits, love coaching and training people in your team, as well as figure out how to ensure the growth of the prospect business and share with them the best way to perform better. Michael Townsend shares his experiences as a Sales Engineering leader with us in this podcast, as well as the habits you need to build to excel as a sales engineering manager.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Michael Townsend is the Senior Director of Global Presales Engineering at Egnyte,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> the leader in content security, governance, and collaboration that provides business productivity experiences while allowing IT to modernize infrastructure and gain visibility and control over sensitive data.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Before moving into leadership, he was an individual contributor (IC) SE for 8 years. His career focus has been Enterprise Content Management, Content Governance, and Content Collaboration as a Customer, Implementer, Consultant, System Administrator, and now Sales Engineer.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2d0d622e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2d0d622e\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-652f5ef8\" data-id=\"652f5ef8\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4b11ee35 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4b11ee35\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i><b>Key Takeaways\/b&gt;:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-cdd4346 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"cdd4346\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-40e53c29\" data-id=\"40e53c29\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-668afbf7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"668afbf7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How Michael went from being an individual contributor for 8 years to senior director<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The difference between managing a team versus leading a team<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What most leaders forget to do &#8211; finding their second-in-command<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why Michael doesn\u2019t handhold his team of Sales Engineers<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Some right and wrong things Michael did as a manager to make him a better leader<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What to tweak in the work ethic and habits of someone who just got into a presales role<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How he\u2019s whipped up most of his Sales Engineers with completely different backgrounds back into shape<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The 5 levels of Sales Engineering or being a solutions architect<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Recommendations for those experiencing burnout that affect mental health<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why it\u2019s important to take responsible time off<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What Michael does when he\u2019s not working directly with SEs<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In which department does technical enablement belong <\/span><\/li><\/ul>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-36766fa4 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"36766fa4\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-462e95ca\" data-id=\"462e95ca\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-350895bc elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"350895bc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Quotes:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-108c4aac elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"108c4aac\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-49137e4e\" data-id=\"49137e4e\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2a6b561a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2a6b561a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b><i>04:37 \u201cManaging is telling people what to do, leading is pointing the way and finding a way to get people to follow.\u201d <\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>12:10<\/i><\/b><b><i> \u201cThe things I did right were just emulating what I observed from managers who really stood out as being positive&#8230; It&#8217;s not micromanaging. It&#8217;s coaching and informing and being transparent and candid. Not being a friend or a buddy, but being someone that you could trust and you could go to, and trying not to have a knee-jerk reaction to something someone said to you and saying, I gotta go fix that or yell at someone.&#8221;\u00a0<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>12:49 \u201cIt&#8217;s protecting my team to a certain extent but also allowing challenges, let them go through that, but letting them do their job, pointing them in the direction that we need to all move forward but also giving them that flexibility to grow and create their own personal brand.\u201d<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>37:52 \u201cAny business that is growing,\u00a0you gotta look at where you need to be.&#8221;\u00a0<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>43:19 &#8220;There&#8217;s knowing what our product does and why it does it, but the question of why does it matter? You gotta know what you&#8217;re selling into and what you&#8217;re replacing and what their pains are driven by.&#8221;<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>45:50\u00a0\u201cPresales is not just about solving problems, it&#8217;s creating solutions and creating value beyond just fixing one little thing. so that is the thing that creates interest in it and creates a challenge.\u00a0<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>57:35 \u201cIt\u2019s giving respect and getting respect, sales wins, it\u2019s a negotiation.\u201d <\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u2013 Michael Townsend<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b><i>1:00:41 \u201cThe most valuable person is someone who helps their boss to be better. If you wanna be valued within your company, help your leader.\u201d<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u2013 Ramzi Marjaba<\/span><\/p><p><br \/><br \/><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-665612e4 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"665612e4\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-de292a3\" data-id=\"de292a3\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4b8f3091 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4b8f3091\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>Links from the show:<\/i><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-6a860c56 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"6a860c56\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-dbc0811\" data-id=\"dbc0811\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-664d4ad5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"664d4ad5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0578521903\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=wetheses00-20&amp;linkId=16f18d1bffaa1b41195c53aac8c475b0&amp;language=en_US\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Six Habits Of Highly Effective Sales Engineers\u00a0 by Chris White<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Sales-Engineer-Managers-Handbook-Mastering-ebook\/dp\/B087GKLVBZ\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&amp;keywords=john+care&amp;qid=1589158028&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-2&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=wetheses00-20&amp;linkId=e38bcd2604d4633eb29164219e9723c1&amp;language=en_US\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Sales Engineer Manager&#8217;s Handbook: Mastering Technical Sales by John Care<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2NZvdUJ\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Start with Why: How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action by Simon Sinek<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p>Connect with Michael Townsend on <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/michaelrtownsend\/\">Linkedin<\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Check out <\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.egnyte.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Egnyte<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you enjoyed this podcast, please support the show by dropping a review or rating on iTunes.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" 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