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{"id":2725,"date":"2020-09-14T01:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-09-14T06:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wethesalesengineers.com\/?p=2725"},"modified":"2020-09-14T01:00:00","modified_gmt":"2020-09-14T06:00:00","slug":"126-knowing-your-career-destination-and-reverse-engineering-the-path","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vertexdimension.com\/wethese\/126-knowing-your-career-destination-and-reverse-engineering-the-path\/","title":{"rendered":"#126 Knowing Your Career Destination and Reverse Engineering the Path"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"2725\" class=\"elementor elementor-2725\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-5b221cb9 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"5b221cb9\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container 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data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ba74d4f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ba74d4f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Most Sales Engineers wind up being an SE either by accident or without knowing what the specific title entails. However, I just love that many Sales Engineers are capable and qualified to be CEOs. In today\u2019s podcast, we get to see how having a background in pre-sales can be beneficial in leading a startup or founding your own company. Join me in my chat with Larson Stair, a former Sales Engineers, as he gives us a peek behind the non-traditional path he took towards becoming a CEO, and how thinking ahead and understanding where you want to go played such a vital role in his entrepreneurial journey.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Larson Stair is the CEO and co-founder of <\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.demoflow.io\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Demoflow<\/span><\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, an all-in-one collaborative platform that helps software sales organizations create scalable processes around how they\u2019re pitching and presenting their own products. Before starting his own company, Larson has spent 10 years in the sales environment, having held multiple roles within SaaS as an SDR, SE, AE, and SC. He is deeply passionate about entrepreneurship, software start-ups, and full-cycle SaaS sales.<\/span><\/p><p><b>Key Takeaways<\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen to our interview and learn more about:<\/span><\/p><ul><li style=\"list-style-type: none;\"><ul><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What his original plan before entering the SaaS space<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What sparked his interest in entrepreneurship<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How Larson transitioned from working in the medical staffing business to becoming an SDR in the technology space\u00a0<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Was it scary to go from medical sales to Software as a Service sales?<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How he went from an SDR to eventually start his own software company<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What his biggest challenges were in building a startup and how he and his co-founder dealt with them\u00a0<\/span><\/li><li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The skills he learned from his experience as an SDR that he still uses as a CEO today<\/span><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which role did he enjoy more, being in sales or being an SE?<\/span><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How his own challenges in giving presentations and demos led him to come up with ideas for creating a platform that could resolve those challenges and produce better, more seamless presentations\u00a0<\/span><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How he and his co-founder came up with the methodology for <\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.demoflow.io\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Demoflow<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How getting customer feedback early in the making of the product helped in the selling of it later on<\/span><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How his experience in sales helped him get funding and investment for his company<\/span><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What his current day looks like as a CEO and how he still finds time for himself and his personal life<\/span><\/li><\/ul><p><b>Quotes:<\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What made the transition from medical to SaaS sales easier? <\/span><b><i>\u201cI wanted to get into SaaS sales at that time, but just couldn\u2019t branch into it almost 10 years ago. So I had to learn more about just how to sell in general, which landed me in the medical selling space, and always keeping in the back of my mind that I really wanted to be an entrepreneur, I want to start my own software company. I knew I needed to sell software before actually getting to that spot, so that\u2019s why that transition from medical to software made a ton of sense for me, it had been part of a larger 10-year plan, to just work my way to get to that spot.<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The importance of getting customer feedback<\/span><b><i>: \u201cWe\u2019ve always kept this in our mind that we need to get feedback early and often, because otherwise we\u2019ll build a tool just for ourselves, and so we aren\u2019t shy about getting out a product early, showing people screenshots and mockups.\u201d<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">His advice to sales engineers thinking about starting their own company<\/span><b><i>: <\/i><\/b><b><i>\u201cThe entrepreneurial route is no joke. You have to really want to do this. You need a passion for solving the problem that you\u2019re solving. I mean, if we were to stop doing Demoflow, I\u2019d probably have to go get a software gig somewhere else and I\u2019d have to do demos the old way, and that sounds so painful that I am just so motivated to keep this thing going.\u201d\u00a0<\/i><\/b><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Not So Fire Round<\/b><\/p><ol><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> What do you love about your current role in Demoflow and the work that you do?<\/span><\/li><\/ol><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s a possibility in this. I have full control over the future, so you live and die by your own decisions, I\u2019m a skydiver, so that\u2019s my hobby. I want to be able to control my destiny, so that\u2019s the part that I like the most.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><ol start=\"2\"><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> What would you change about your role today?<\/span><\/li><\/ol><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t know if I would change anything. I\u2019m learning new things every single day, what it means to be a CEO of a small startup company and the pressures that come with it, and just embracing it. Whether I like it or don\u2019t like it, it\u2019s all a part of it. You can\u2019t have the good without the bad.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><ol start=\"3\"><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Is there any resource you would recommend to people who want to become startup founders?<\/span><\/li><\/ol><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.techstars.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">The Techstars Network and Accelerator Program<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p><ol start=\"4\"><li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What differentiates great <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sales Engineers<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> from the not so great ones?<\/span><\/li><\/ol><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Being process-oriented is a big part of it because you\u2019re working with other parties, your sales counterparts, how do you maintain great relationships and coach them to do great discovery calls, and then doing enough preparation on the front half because as Chris White would say, \u201cSelling is a team sport. So, prepare on the front half and make sure you\u2019re both in alignment and sync before going into the call. Anyone can run a generic demo, but only a few can run great personalized demos that captivate people\u2019s attention.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For more information on <\/span><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/demoflow.io\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Demoflo<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">w<\/span><\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">:<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Connect with Larson<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Stair on <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/larson-stair\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">LinkedIn<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p><p><br \/><br \/><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you enjoyed this podcast, please support the show by dropping a review or rating on iTunes. <\/span><a 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